Yes it has not, my suggestion naturally calls for some of the countries to be upgraded to 12 (the most exposed ones).
This would of course destroy most of the random element in this map..
Let's have some new maps instead!!
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| Author: | Tryptamon [ Tue May 10, 2005 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Micronesia layout |
Sometimes you're just doomed on this map. In a recent game as FNU I got Holly Coast and Voculer. Both have three adjacent countries and are not connected. Now what's the chance of winning that against any standard player? I think a remedy for this would be giving each player one 12 and one 8 country. As FNU in this situation you gotta take a chance, or play defencively and lose. If you had more money you could cover more borders and still have something for offense. |
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| Author: | Quark [ Thu May 12, 2005 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Micronesia, Red, etc |
FNU starts out at a disadvantage by virtue of playing last. Sometimes this disadvantage is huge. Generally, the fewer the starting countries, the greater this disadvantage. I shall call the turns "Turn-0", "Red-1", "Green-1", "Red-2", "Green-2", etc. I agree with you that it's fairly common for a Micronesia position to be "lost" on Turn-0 vs any reasonable opponent (or conversely, "won" on Turn-0 by any competent player). I just won a Micronesia game playing Red (not vs Tryptamon). I don't see how my opponent had any real chance. I don't know whether giving each player a 12-country would help. Red would have a 12-country to disclose on Turn-0, which would be powerful. I previously suggested a possible "solution" to the issue of Red's Play First Advantage. Specifically, on Turn-0 only, that Green receive a special recruitment phase that comes as the very last phase of the turn. With that modification, Red moves first, and Green produces first. ================== With the current system, Red moves first and produces first. Sometimes on turn Red-1, Red is able to destroy units which Green exposed on Turn-0. On Turn-0, Green is in a position of either having his/her hands tied by avoiding exposure, or of taking a risk. Red does not have to contend with this problem. On turn Red-1, Red often attacks a country. If this is one of Green's starting countries, then Green will never get production for that country (assuming a successful attack). In the case of a Micronesia game, before Green has had a chance to "move" (all s/he has done is expose one country), his or her total production has been cut to half that of Red. =================== For a Micronesia game, let's consider the available force for each side for turns 1 and 2. For each turn, the $ value of the units available for each side to "move" with (issue orders to) is given. We shall ignore guerillas. Let's assume that Red is unable to destroy any units on turn Red-1. In fact, that no unit destruction occurs at all. --------------- Current System --------------- Turn Red-1: Red "moves" with $8 of units Turn Green-1: Green "moves" with $8 of units Turn Red-2: Red "moves" with $18 of units Turn Green-2: Green "moves" with $18 of units Red has the initiative and production advantage. ---------------- Modified System ---------------- Turn Red-1: Red "moves" with $8 of units Turn Green-1: Green "moves" with $10 of units Turn Red-2: Red "moves" with $18 of units Turn Green-2: Green "moves" with $20 of units Things are a bit more balanced. Of course, the above is an oversimplfication. It ignores guerrillas. It ignores the fact that Red may have already used his advantage to destroy some of Green's units, exacerbating the material discrepency. The modified system gives Green a better chance of dealing with Red's initial blitz kreig. An alternative possible modification is to give Green 1.5 x normal guerillas for the first country that Red invades. In the case of a Micronesia game, Red having to deal with 6 guerilla units rather than 4 for the first invasion could alter the balance significantly. |
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| Author: | Tryptamon [ Thu May 12, 2005 6:24 pm ] |
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I have seen several discussions on this advantage. In my opinion the closest one can get to a more balanced play without altering the gameplay to a large degree is this: PL Turn 0: Disclose 1. Ally FNU Turn 0: Gets to see what country Red disclosed (but not what forces), and discloses 1. Ally. PL Turn 1: As normal etc. PL still has advantage of first attack + first buy, but is much less likely to make a disabling attack on FNU first round. |
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| Author: | Quark [ Fri May 13, 2005 7:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Balance |
Trypto's suggestion is good. I came here to make a different suggestion, and found his. The particular aspect of Red's advantage being discussed here is that sometimes Red can make a devastating and sometimes game winning (if Red is competent) attack on turn 1. My suggestion was going to be this: On turn 0 require Red to specify which country s/he will disclose on turn 1. Red can still make a potentially devastating attack on turn 1. However, Green has the potential on his/her turn 1 to do likewise. I am not sure which I prefer the most (neither side having the potential for this devastating initial attack, or both sides having it). |
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| Author: | prime_642 [ Sat May 21, 2005 10:27 pm ] |
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Micronesia doesn't have any 12-countries, by which i assume you mean Medium countries which have 3 resource per turn and a 12 resource secret army. I'm afraid Tryptamon's original solution is moot. |
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| Author: | Tryptamon [ Mon May 23, 2005 10:21 am ] |
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Yes it has not, my suggestion naturally calls for some of the countries to be upgraded to 12 (the most exposed ones). This would of course destroy most of the random element in this map.. Let's have some new maps instead!!
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